cb radio in Canada

[radioguy]

No it isn't unsafe. Talking on two way radios while
driving helps people avoid accidents...

it is unsafe. ny law deems it so.

Federal law overrides new york law...

nope. ny traffic laws rule for roads running thru ny.

and there you have it everyone. Anonymous said New York law overides
and overrules federal law

which means that


under New York state law, you are NOT allowed to do what the federal
government by law REQUIRES you to do.


(the purpose of the amateur radio service as listed in part 97)


even thogh the federal government has consistently ruled that federal
law overrides and overrules all state laws.


Because New Tork state law overrides anything the federal government
rules.

I don't believe for a second that a cop who gets a call

on the radio while driving doesn't answer

what you believe is irrelevant. when you drive in ny, you
will obey ny traffic laws, or you will go to jail. period.

your law contradict fedeal law. By FEDERAL the FEDERAL government
REQUIRES hams in all fifty states to do things you say are illegal to
do.

There are no such statistics.

ask the insurance companies. they'll show you the stats.

You're getting your supposed cell phone statistics mixed up with cb
and ham radio statistics. They are two completely different things.

And statistics show there is no higher risk from using two way radios
while driving then if you didn't.


And if there are such statistics proving there is a higher risk, then
ALL built-in AM/FM car radios should also be against the law in New
York state since trying to tune those while driving are MUCH MORE
DANGEROUS than using a two way radio while driving.


Or tuning a two way radio while driving.


The builtt in AM/FM car radios are mucg more dangerous since you have
to take your eyes off the road and bend over to tune them. And take
off your seat belt to even reach them to tune the built-in car
radios.

I'm not Canadian.

then you have no excuse.

wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And under federal law. and
federal law REQUIRES things you say are illegal.

Also under law you are REQUIRED to have a working mobile ham radio in
your car if you have ham plates
And if you do, FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES hams to use it while driving, in
certain situations.


But you say new york state law overrules and preempts federal law
even
though the federal government has consistently ruled in many cases
that federal law overrules and preempts all states laws.


Of course going by what you posted so far, you'll then say those
consistent rulings by the federal government in all the many cases so
far that federal law always overrules and preempts state law isn't
valid since New York state law ALWAYS overrules and preempts any
federal law the federal government ever makes.

types like you need to have your driver's license revoked,
and spend 5 years in a ny prison cell.

Wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And hooked to my car in a
way that can not easily be uninstalled since that was the only way to
install it according to what the radio instruction manual said.

Besides, if you have ham plates, then under law, you are NOT allowed
to uninstall the ham radio from your car.


And if it's installed, under FEDERAL LAW, you are REQUIRED to use it
while driving, in certain situations/


then again you'll say New York state law overrules and preempts
federal law and that you are NOT allowed to do what the FEDERAL
government by law REQUIRES you to do.


Also if the hams listen to you and don't obey the FEDERAL law, the
FEDERAL government fines the hams a bunch of money for breaking
federal law. In the tens thousands dollars and hundreds thousand
dollar ranges. Something most hams and I can't afford.


And you still didn't answer why the cops in new york aren't arresting
all the schoolbus drivvers and taxi drivers and truckers if it's
illegal in new york state as you say.


that is selective enforcement which is against the law.


You're the reason and proof that enforcement of radio should never be
given to local cops or local governments or state governments and
should only be enforced by the federal government.


There is no such law banning ham radio while driving in New York.


and going by what you posted so far, it's very obvious that


You don't even know how they work.


You think that a CB, ham radio, and cell phone are all the same
thing.


You think that a CB radio and ham radio just dials a phone number to
call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone.


There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is.


so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way
shape or form.


and many other misconceptions you have about it and them.


Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio.


that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW.


And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for
using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact
same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham
transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds
around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW


Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules
federal law.


that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for
obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford.

[radioguy]

Post by radioguy

No it isn't unsafe. Talking on two way radios while
driving helps people avoid accidents...

it is unsafe.  ny law deems it so.

Federal law overrides new york law...

nope. ny traffic laws rule for roads running thru ny.

and there you have it everyone. Anonymous said New York law overides
and overrules federal law
which means that
under New York state law, you are NOT allowed to do what the federal
government by law REQUIRES you to do.
(the purpose of the amateur radio service as listed in part 97)
even thogh the federal government has consistently ruled that federal
law overrides and overrules all state laws.
Because New Tork state law overrides anything the federal government
rules.

I don't believe for a second that a cop who gets a call

on the radio while driving doesn't answer

what you believe is irrelevant.  when you drive in ny, you
will obey ny traffic laws, or you will go to jail.  period.

your law contradict fedeal law. By FEDERAL the FEDERAL government
REQUIRES hams in all fifty states to do things you say are illegal to
do.

There are no such statistics.

ask the insurance companies.  they'll show you the stats.

You're getting your supposed cell phone statistics mixed up with cb
and ham radio statistics. They are two completely different things.
And statistics show there is no higher risk from using two way radios
while driving then if you didn't.
And if there are such statistics proving there is a higher risk, then
ALL built-in AM/FM car radios should also be against the law in New
York state since trying to tune those while driving are MUCH MORE
DANGEROUS than using a two way radio while driving.
Or tuning a two way radio while driving.
The builtt in AM/FM car radios are mucg more dangerous since you have
to take your eyes off the road and bend over to tune them. And take
off your seat belt to even reach them to tune the built-in car
radios.

I'm not Canadian.

then you have no excuse.

wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And under federal law. and
federal law REQUIRES things you say are illegal.
Also under law you are REQUIRED to have a working mobile ham radio in
your car if you have ham plates
And if you do, FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES hams to use it while driving, in
certain situations.
But you say new york state law overrules and preempts federal law
even
though the federal government has consistently ruled in many cases
that federal law overrules and preempts all states laws.
Of course going by what you posted so far, you'll then say those
consistent rulings by the federal government in all the many cases so
far that federal law always overrules and preempts state law isn't
valid since New York state law ALWAYS overrules and preempts any
federal law the  federal government ever makes.

types like you need to have your driver's license revoked,
and spend 5 years in a ny prison cell.

Wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And hooked to my car in a
way that can not easily be uninstalled since that was the only way to
install it according to what the radio instruction manual said.
Besides, if you have ham plates, then under law, you are NOT allowed
to uninstall the ham radio from your car.
And if it's installed, under FEDERAL LAW, you are REQUIRED to use it
while driving, in certain situations/
then again you'll say New York state law overrules and preempts
federal law and that you are NOT allowed to do what the FEDERAL
government by law REQUIRES you to do.
Also if the hams listen to you  and don't obey the FEDERAL law, the
FEDERAL government fines the hams a bunch of money for breaking
federal law. In the tens thousands dollars and hundreds thousand
dollar ranges. Something most hams and I can't afford.
And you still didn't answer why the cops in new york aren't arresting
all the schoolbus drivvers and taxi drivers and truckers if it's
illegal in new york state as you say.
that is selective enforcement which is against the law.
You're the reason and proof that enforcement of radio should never be
given to local cops or local governments or state governments and
should only be enforced by the federal government.
There is no such law banning ham radio while driving in New York.
and going by what you posted so far, it's very obvious that
You don't even know how they work.
You think that a CB, ham radio, and cell phone  are all the same
thing.
You think that a CB radio and ham radio just dials a phone number to
call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone.
There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is.
so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way
shape or form.
and many other misconceptions you have about it and them.
Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio.
that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW.
And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for
using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact
same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham
transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds
around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW
Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules
federal law.
that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for
obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford.

[richard]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:03:27 -0700 (PDT), radioguy

Post by radioguy

No it isn't unsafe. Talking on two way radios while
driving helps people avoid accidents...

it is unsafe.  ny law deems it so.

Federal law overrides new york law...

nope. ny traffic laws rule for roads running thru ny.

and there you have it everyone. Anonymous said New York law overides
and overrules federal law
which means that
under New York state law, you are NOT allowed to do what the federal
government by law REQUIRES you to do.
(the purpose of the amateur radio service as listed in part 97)
even thogh the federal government has consistently ruled that federal
law overrides and overrules all state laws.
Because New Tork state law overrides anything the federal government
rules.

I don't believe for a second that a cop who gets a call

on the radio while driving doesn't answer

what you believe is irrelevant.  when you drive in ny, you
will obey ny traffic laws, or you will go to jail.  period.

your law contradict fedeal law. By FEDERAL the FEDERAL government
REQUIRES hams in all fifty states to do things you say are illegal to
do.

There are no such statistics.

ask the insurance companies.  they'll show you the stats.

You're getting your supposed cell phone statistics mixed up with cb
and ham radio statistics. They are two completely different things.
And statistics show there is no higher risk from using two way radios
while driving then if you didn't.
And if there are such statistics proving there is a higher risk, then
ALL built-in AM/FM car radios should also be against the law in New
York state since trying to tune those while driving are MUCH MORE
DANGEROUS than using a two way radio while driving.
Or tuning a two way radio while driving.
The builtt in AM/FM car radios are mucg more dangerous since you have
to take your eyes off the road and bend over to tune them. And take
off your seat belt to even reach them to tune the built-in car
radios.

I'm not Canadian.

then you have no excuse.

wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And under federal law. and
federal law REQUIRES things you say are illegal.
Also under law you are REQUIRED to have a working mobile ham radio in
your car if you have ham plates
And if you do, FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES hams to use it while driving, in
certain situations.
But you say new york state law overrules and preempts federal law
even
though the federal government has consistently ruled in many cases
that federal law overrules and preempts all states laws.
Of course going by what you posted so far, you'll then say those
consistent rulings by the federal government in all the many cases so
far that federal law always overrules and preempts state law isn't
valid since New York state law ALWAYS overrules and preempts any
federal law the  federal government ever makes.

types like you need to have your driver's license revoked,
and spend 5 years in a ny prison cell.

Wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And hooked to my car in a
way that can not easily be uninstalled since that was the only way to
install it according to what the radio instruction manual said.
Besides, if you have ham plates, then under law, you are NOT allowed
to uninstall the ham radio from your car.
And if it's installed, under FEDERAL LAW, you are REQUIRED to use it
while driving, in certain situations/
then again you'll say New York state law overrules and preempts
federal law and that you are NOT allowed to do what the FEDERAL
government by law REQUIRES you to do.
Also if the hams listen to you  and don't obey the FEDERAL law, the
FEDERAL government fines the hams a bunch of money for breaking
federal law. In the tens thousands dollars and hundreds thousand
dollar ranges. Something most hams and I can't afford.
And you still didn't answer why the cops in new york aren't arresting
all the schoolbus drivvers and taxi drivers and truckers if it's
illegal in new york state as you say.
that is selective enforcement which is against the law.
You're the reason and proof that enforcement of radio should never be
given to local cops or local governments or state governments and
should only be enforced by the federal government.
There is no such law banning ham radio while driving in New York.
and going by what you posted so far, it's very obvious that
You don't even know how they work.
You think that a CB, ham radio, and cell phone  are all the same
thing.
You think that a CB radio and ham radio just dials a phone number to
call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone.
There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is.
so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way
shape or form.
and many other misconceptions you have about it and them.
Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio.
that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW.
And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for
using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact
same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham
transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds
around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW
Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules
federal law.
that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for
obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford.

Totally frickin wrong on all accounts.

Federal law supercedes any like state law.
If a federal law says it is legal, no state may make it illegal.
And vice versa.

Ham radio license plates are issued by many states as vanity plates.
Anyone can drive these vehicles without the requirement of having a
ham radio in the vehicle.

IIRC the NY law says, "NO hand held devices". As most CB's are dash
mounted, they would not meet the law. VOX stands for voice operated,
which means in most cases, a driver would be wearing a headset and
thus not have anything in his hands. VOX is perfectly legal under
federal law.

Most modern portable ham radios also have external mikes, much like
police units do. So I do not believe one would be cited under the NY
law.

[radioguy]

Post by richard

Post by radioguy
call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone.
There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is.
so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way
shape or form.
and many other misconceptions you have about it and them.
Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio.
that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW.
And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for
using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact
same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham
transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds
around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW
Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules
federal law.
that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for
obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford.

Totally frickin wrong on all accounts.
Federal law supercedes any like state law.
If a federal law says it is legal, no state may make it illegal.
And vice versa.
Ham radio license plates are issued by many states as vanity plates.
Anyone can drive these vehicles without the requirement of having a
ham radio in the vehicle.
IIRC the NY law says, "NO hand held devices". As most CB's are dash
mounted, they would not meet the law. VOX stands for voice operated,
which means in most cases, a driver would be wearing a headset and
thus not have anything in his hands. VOX is perfectly legal under
federal law.

Cell phones are full duplex. Hsm radios and CBs are simplex. Only one
side of a conversation can be transmitted at the same time.

Vox would keep a ham radio and CB constantly transmitting even when no
one is talking since it would hear external sounds like outside music,
or just street noise, or the car's heater or air conditioner,

that is against federal law. And both cbers and hams can be fined for
it.

Since it's allowed on cell phones and cell phones are full duplex, it
doesn't matter since both sides csn transmit at the same time.

So a CB, ham radio, and cell phone are NOT all the exact same thing
like some of the people and cops think.

Most modern portable ham radios also have external mikes, much like

Post by richard
police units do.

That is true,

So I do not believe one would be cited under the NY

Post by richard
law.

That's what I thought. They keep telling me it's illegal to drive and
talk with a microphone because "a CB radio and ham radio are boththe
exact same thing as a cell phone"

and that "it's illegal because reaching for and dialing the phone
number inputs on your cb radio and ham radio to make your phone calls
causes accidents which is why new york state outlawed using them while
driving."

I'd be laughing except I know there are many cops who do think that
way. And don't know the difference between a CB radio, ham radio, and
a cell phone.

Or the laws regarding them.

At least the cops in my area are good, and I think probably
knowledgable.

Although I can't say the same for the idiots in the next county.

Who thought my cb radio was a ham radio and asked me if I had a
license for it. Then after I told him it's a CB, not a ham radio, e
said that by law, I still need a ham radio license to legally operate
a CB radio.

which ham radio license must show that I am legally allowed to use
those particular CB frequencies.

And that's not the only time I had a radio problem with the idiot law
enforcement officers in the next county over.

They even thought a radio/TV recieve only unit was a two way radio and
told me I wasn't allowed to have it because it's against the law for
the public to have two-way radios to talk on.

I'd like to see them call their backup on the am/fm broadcast radio/
vhf/uhf tv reciever, and then wonder where the backup they requested
is.



And that was when I was outdoor on foot. Just watching and listening
to it.



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[richard]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:00:14 -0700 (PDT), radioguy

Post by radioguy

Post by richard

Post by radioguy
call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone.
There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is.
so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way
shape or form.
and many other misconceptions you have about it and them.
Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio.
that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW.
And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for
using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact
same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham
transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds
around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW
Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules
federal law.
that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for
obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford.

Totally frickin wrong on all accounts.
Federal law supercedes any like state law.
If a federal law says it is legal, no state may make it illegal.
And vice versa.
Ham radio license plates are issued by many states as vanity plates.
Anyone can drive these vehicles without the requirement of having a
ham radio in the vehicle.
IIRC the NY law says, "NO hand held devices". As most CB's are dash
mounted, they would not meet the law. VOX stands for voice operated,
which means in most cases, a driver would be wearing a headset and
thus not have anything in his hands. VOX is perfectly legal under
federal law.

Cell phones are full duplex. Hsm radios and CBs are simplex. Only one
side of a conversation can be transmitted at the same time.
Vox would keep a ham radio and CB constantly transmitting even when no
one is talking since it would hear external sounds like outside music,
or just street noise, or the car's heater or air conditioner,

wrong!
Vox mikes are designed NOT to pick up and operate with any noise other
than the operator's voice.

Post by radioguy
that is against federal law. And both cbers and hams can be fined for
it.

Show me. Please post a link to the precise law you speak of.

Post by radioguy
Since it's allowed on cell phones and cell phones are full duplex, it
doesn't matter since both sides csn transmit at the same time.
So a CB, ham radio, and cell phone are NOT all the exact same thing
like some of the people and cops think.
Most modern portable ham radios also have external mikes, much like

Post by richard
police units do.

That is true,
So I do not believe one would be cited under the NY

Post by richard
law.

That's what I thought. They keep telling me it's illegal to drive and
talk with a microphone because "a CB radio and ham radio are boththe
exact same thing as a cell phone"

Wrong explanation. The law says, "handheld devices". So technically,
having a mike in your hand is illegal.

Post by radioguy
and that "it's illegal because reaching for and dialing the phone
number inputs on your cb radio and ham radio to make your phone calls
causes accidents which is why new york state outlawed using them while
driving."
I'd be laughing except I know there are many cops who do think that
way. And don't know the difference between a CB radio, ham radio, and
a cell phone.
Or the laws regarding them.
At least the cops in my area are good, and I think probably
knowledgable.
Although I can't say the same for the idiots in the next county.
Who thought my cb radio was a ham radio and asked me if I had a
license for it. Then after I told him it's a CB, not a ham radio, e
said that by law, I still need a ham radio license to legally operate
a CB radio.

If cited for that reason, the case can be dismissed because no license
is required for CB.
That myth was started because various states have laws against use of
scanning radios in the vehicle. That is, a ham license makes
everything legal. Sorry, no it does not.

Post by radioguy
which ham radio license must show that I am legally allowed to use
those particular CB frequencies.

None. Amateur radio frequencies are not inclusive of the CB
frequencies.

Post by radioguy
And that's not the only time I had a radio problem with the idiot law
enforcement officers in the next county over.
They even thought a radio/TV recieve only unit was a two way radio and
told me I wasn't allowed to have it because it's against the law for
the public to have two-way radios to talk on.

Ask those officers which walmart they their got badge from.

Post by radioguy
I'd like to see them call their backup on the am/fm broadcast radio/
vhf/uhf tv reciever, and then wonder where the backup they requested
is.
And that was when I was outdoor on foot. Just watching and listening
to it.

Officer? With all due respect, are you really this fucking stupid or
did that badge make you that way?

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[radioguy]

Oregon, Alaska, North Carolina, Texas, Virginia, and Missouri all by
law, REQUIRE hams to have a ham radio installed in their vehicle if
they have ham platetes

Got a reference to the relevant statutes?

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/local/plates.html

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Are you drunk, on drugs, insane, or just blazingly stupid?
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Post by radioguy

Oregon, Alaska, North Carolina, Texas, Virginia, and Missouri all by
law, REQUIRE hams to have a ham radio installed in their vehicle if
they have ham platetes

Got a reference to the relevant statutes?

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/local/plates.html

Following the links to the relevant state laws, one finds 2 of those
states have no radio requirement, and none of the others have any
installed radio requirement.

Of those with a radio requirement, occasional use of a HT qualifies,
except Virginia where you would have to keep a HT in the vehicle to
meet the letter of the law.

So there is no state that "REQUIRE hams to have a ham radio installed
in their vehicle" from your own link.

[radioguy]

meet the letter of the law.

Post by j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
So there is no state that "REQUIRE hams to have a ham radio installed
in their vehicle" from your own link.
--
Jim Pennino

there are several atates.Even on that link. Ilost my links for oregon
and missouri which were on other sites.

Jusyt because the link I gave doesn't mention it in those two states
doesn't men it isn't the law in those two states or isn't on their own
websites.

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meet the letter of the law.

Post by j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
So there is no state that "REQUIRE hams to have a ham radio installed
in their vehicle" from your own link.
--
Jim Pennino

there are several atates.Even on that link. Ilost my links for oregon
and missouri which were on other sites.

If you don't live in any of those states, why would you give a rat's
ass when such laws only effect residents and even then aren't much
of a burden?

More to the point, why are you continually whining about legal issues
that either have no effect on you, or if they do, are of your own
making?

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Post by j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
meet the letter of the law.

Post by j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
So there is no state that "REQUIRE hams to have a ham radio installed
in their vehicle" from your own link.
--
Jim Pennino

there are several atates.Even on that link. Ilost my links for oregon
and missouri which were on other sites.

If you don't live in any of those states, why would you give a rat's
ass when such laws only effect residents and even then aren't much
of a burden?

because such laws do not affect only residents.

New York's laws do not affect only residents of new york.

And being fined mney you can't afford, having to pay for court cases
you can't afford, and being put in prison for five years for legally
doing what your state by law rewuires you to do no matter which of the
50 states your veicle is in and doing what the federal government by
law requires you to do is very much a burden.

Anonymous/norman already posted new york law overrules federal law
while the hams and other posters already posted federal law overrules
new york law.

and posted the respective laws.

There's a complete conflict between new york law and federal law
with both claiming they overrule the other one.

Also, not only des my radio recieve the police frequencies, it can
also transmit on the police frequencies. And has not been modified in
any way. It came straight out of the box from the factory like that.
That is because the FCC assigned some of the same frequencies to both
ham and police.

yet the idiot new york cops and the idiot wannabe new york cops
posting in this thread think that a ham radio and a radio capable of
recieving police frequencies are two completely separate things even
though the fcc assigned the same frequencies to both police and ham
while thinking that a cb radio, ham radio, and cell phone are all the
one and exact same thing as each other.

So they're basically saying that in new york it's against the law for
hams to have radios capable of recieving ham frequencies since those
frequencies are assigned by the fcc to both ham and police.

Also the threads I read elsewhere by actual cops said you can be
pulled over ticketed and finedin new york for illegal plates if you
have plates from your state with a design in the middle of your call
letters on ham plates since plates with a design in the middle of call
leters are illegalin new york, even though that's the only way your
state, some states issue them.

Post by j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
More to the point, why are you continually whining about legal issues
that either have no effect on you, or if they do, are of your own
making?
--
Jim Pennino
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Post by j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
meet the letter of the law.

Post by j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
So there is no state that "REQUIRE hams to have a ham radio installed
in their vehicle" from your own link.
--
Jim Pennino

there are several atates.Even on that link. Ilost my links for oregon
and missouri which were on other sites.

If you don't live in any of those states, why would you give a rat's
ass when such laws only effect residents and even then aren't much
of a burden?

because such laws do not affect only residents.

State automobile license plate laws only effect state residents.

Transient drivers from other states are not effected.

I doubt you understand the difference between a resident and a transient.

<snip delusional nonsense>

[radioguy]

No it isn't unsafe. Talking on two way radios while
driving helps people avoid accidents...

it is unsafe.  ny law deems it so.

Federal law overrides new york law...

nope. ny traffic laws rule for roads running thru ny.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21986935-Cops-get-booted-off-of-2M-frequencies-for-obscenities

what you believe is irrelevant.  when you drive in ny, you

will obey ny traffic laws, or you will go to jail.  period.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21986935-Cops-get-booted-off-of-2M-frequencies-for-obscenities
types like you need to have your driver's license revoked,
and spend 5 years in a ny prison cell.  

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21986935-Cops-get-booted-off-of-2M-frequencies-for-obscenities