how can I get a refund on my illegal FCC-approved type accepted radios here in the U.S.?

[radioguy]

I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.

I just found out that less than a year ago, in 2009, according to the
FCC, the motorola t6250 ( radio ( and other similar raduios ) is and
always has been an illegal radio completely illegal to use at all
because it can do speech inversion,(which is coded messages according
to the FCC), even though it has been type accepted by the FCC and
approved by the FCC as completely legal to use in the U.S.

The FCC even said such radios are and always have been illegal even
though the FCC type accepted it as legal and approved it as legal.

and that it's iullegal to use at all even in non-scramnled mode
without speech inversion enabled since it is an illegal radio.

So since the radio is and always has been completely illegal to use
even in non-scrambled mode since it is capable of scrambling,

the radio is NOT fit for the purpose which it was sold for and sold as
.
But Radio Shack won't give me a refdund for the illegal radios they
sold.

I had no idea at the time I bought the radio that it was illegal since
it was FCC-type accepted as legal.

But all the lawyers and judges say "ignorance of the law is no
excuse".

How do I get my money back for Radio Shack illegally and fraudently
selling me illegal radios under the false, phony, and fraudelent
pretense that they were completely legal since they were fcc type
accepted and fcc-approved as legal?

[You]

In article

Post by radioguy
I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.

How about you slink off the Newsgroup, and leave your Stupid Questions
inside that Melon on top of your shoulders......

[richard]

Post by radioguy
I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.
I just found out that less than a year ago, in 2009, according to the
FCC, the motorola t6250 ( radio ( and other similar raduios ) is and
always has been an illegal radio completely illegal to use at all
because it can do speech inversion,(which is coded messages according
to the FCC), even though it has been type accepted by the FCC and
approved by the FCC as completely legal to use in the U.S.
The FCC even said such radios are and always have been illegal even
though the FCC type accepted it as legal and approved it as legal.
and that it's iullegal to use at all even in non-scramnled mode
without speech inversion enabled since it is an illegal radio.
So since the radio is and always has been completely illegal to use
even in non-scrambled mode since it is capable of scrambling,
the radio is NOT fit for the purpose which it was sold for and sold as
.
But Radio Shack won't give me a refdund for the illegal radios they
sold.
I had no idea at the time I bought the radio that it was illegal since
it was FCC-type accepted as legal.
But all the lawyers and judges say "ignorance of the law is no
excuse".
How do I get my money back for Radio Shack illegally and fraudently
selling me illegal radios under the false, phony, and fraudelent
pretense that they were completely legal since they were fcc type
accepted and fcc-approved as legal?

Apparently, this is an oversight of the FCC. Some times things just get
done automatically. When you have a major corp. producing millions of
radios annually, introducing new types constantly, paperwork becomes rather
routine.

Midland radio is in the midst of the same legal action against them for
doing the same thing. The FCC contends these radios are illegal because the
"message is coded". However, as the FCC also does not precisely define
exactly what is meant by "coded".

As I see it, the rules are basically saying, sideband operation is not
allowed. Which I believe this is how the message is being coded.

What to do with your radio? I'd say use the damn thing as is. As far as you
are concerned the radio is legal to operate as is. It is up to the FCC to
ensure manufacturers comply with the rules. Not yours, not the vendors.

One option might be to sell it on ebay.

What if you're charged with the henious crime of transmitting a coded
message? Hire a good attorney and fight the bastards. You purchased, in
good faith, what you believed was a perfectly legal radio and one that was
approved by the FCC themselves. Then, don't do business with Radio Shack.

I learned a long time ago, Radio Shack is a rip off on electronics. If you
pay $10, the store manager paid $2 for it.

[WQGT447]

Post by richard

Post by radioguy
I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.
I just found out that less than a year ago, in 2009, according to the
FCC, the motorola t6250 ( radio ( and other similar raduios ) is and
always has been an illegal radio completely illegal to use at all
because it can do speech inversion,(which is coded messages according
to the FCC), even though it has been type accepted by the FCC and
approved by the FCC as completely legal to use in the U.S.
The FCC even said such radios are and always have been illegal even
though the FCC type accepted it as legal and approved it as legal.
and that it's iullegal to use at all even in non-scramnled mode
without speech inversion enabled since it is an illegal radio.
So since  the radio is and always has been completely illegal to use
even in non-scrambled mode since it is capable of scrambling,
the radio is NOT fit for the purpose which it was sold for and sold as
.
But Radio Shack won't give me a refdund for the illegal radios they
sold.
I had no idea at the time I bought the radio that it was illegal since
it was FCC-type accepted as legal.
But all the lawyers and judges say "ignorance of the law is no
excuse".
How do I get my money back for Radio Shack illegally and fraudently
selling me illegal radios under the false, phony, and fraudelent
pretense that they were completely legal since they were fcc type
accepted and fcc-approved as legal?

Apparently, this is an oversight of the FCC. Some times things just get
done automatically. When you have a major corp. producing millions of
radios annually, introducing new types constantly, paperwork becomes rather
routine.
Midland radio is in the midst of the same legal action against them for
doing the same thing. The FCC contends these radios are illegal because the
"message is coded". However, as the FCC also does not precisely define
exactly what is meant by "coded".
As I see it, the rules are basically saying, sideband operation is not
allowed. Which I believe this is how the message is being coded.
What to do with your radio? I'd say use the damn thing as is. As far as you
are concerned the radio is legal to operate as is. It is up to the FCC to
ensure manufacturers comply with the rules. Not yours, not the vendors.
One option might be to sell it on ebay.
What if you're charged with the henious crime of transmitting a coded
message? Hire a good attorney and fight the bastards. You purchased, in
good faith, what you believed was a perfectly legal radio and one that was
approved by the FCC themselves. Then, don't do business with Radio Shack.
I learned a long time ago, Radio Shack is a rip off on electronics. If you
pay $10, the store manager paid $2 for it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

FWIW - I bought some GMRS radios at RS a few years back, branded with
the RS name, and they work *great*, excellent range, excellent voice
sound and pitch, and they don't chew up batteries either. Tough as
nails too - they've been dropped, kicked and soaked, and they still
run great. I suspect their output is around 1 - 1.5 w, because they
communicate farther and more clearly and easily than any FRS radio
with which I am familiar. At $45 the pair, I'd stand by these units
anytime.

I have had junk from RS too, but these units are not among them.

I don't invert my speech ;-)

Bruce Jensen
WQGT447

[Kent Wills]

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:59:59 -0800 (PST), radioguy
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:



I'm not a lawyer. If anyone who is contradicts anything I write,
go with their opinion over mine.

Post by radioguy
I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.
I just found out that less than a year ago, in 2009, according to the
FCC, the motorola t6250 ( radio ( and other similar raduios ) is and
always has been an illegal radio completely illegal to use at all

Illegal to use, but is it legal to own?

Post by radioguy
because it can do speech inversion,(which is coded messages according
to the FCC), even though it has been type accepted by the FCC and
approved by the FCC as completely legal to use in the U.S.
The FCC even said such radios are and always have been illegal even
though the FCC type accepted it as legal and approved it as legal.
and that it's iullegal to use at all even in non-scramnled mode
without speech inversion enabled since it is an illegal radio.
So since the radio is and always has been completely illegal to use
even in non-scrambled mode since it is capable of scrambling,
the radio is NOT fit for the purpose which it was sold for and sold as
.
But Radio Shack won't give me a refdund for the illegal radios they
sold.

But the radio itself may not be illegal to sell or own. Using it
may be illegal.
What does the law say about selling and owning it?

Post by radioguy
I had no idea at the time I bought the radio that it was illegal since
it was FCC-type accepted as legal.

Odds are the PTB at Radio Shack didn't either, though I know no
way to check this.

Post by radioguy
But all the lawyers and judges say "ignorance of the law is no
excuse".

Nit picking: I think the phrase is, "Ignorace of the law is no
defense."

Post by radioguy
How do I get my money back for Radio Shack illegally and fraudently
selling me illegal radios under the false, phony, and fraudelent
pretense that they were completely legal since they were fcc type
accepted and fcc-approved as legal?

You can file suit, if you want. Realistically, I don't see you
winning.
You would need to prove Radio Shack sold it to you knowing it was
illegal. By your own claim, the FCC listed it as legal, so it's very
likely the people at Radio Shack who make decisions regarding what to
sell and what not to sell also thought it was legal.
You will need to be able to prove they knew the reason you were
buying it. Common sense indicates you bought it for use, but common
sense and the law aren't always in agreement.
Richard offered a POSSIBLE idea. If it is legal to buy and sell,
tyr selling it on ebay. It's unlikely you'll get what you paid for
it, but you can get some money.

[richard]

FYI, the FCC rules state mostly that is illegal to import, manufacture,
sell, possess and use such illegal equipment.

The most common of these violations occur when a radio is produced to be
used on the 10 or 12 meter ham radio band. With the capability of being
used on the 11 meter band which is known "Citizens Band" (CB).

The FCC routinely tests these radios and if the find any way that it can
transmit on 11 meters, it is classified as illegal. Manufacturers do so to
avoid the "type accpetance" requirement and to sell their radios to
enthusiasts known as "truckers". Buying one can cost you $10,000 and the
loss of your radio.

For the law itself, read up on "illegal CB radios".

[kb9rqz]

Post by radioguy
I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.
I just found out that less than a year ago, in 2009, according to the
FCC, the motorola t6250 ( radio ( and other similar raduios ) is and
always has been an illegal radio completely illegal to use at all
because it can do speech inversion,(which is coded messages according
to the FCC), even though it has been type accepted by the FCC and
approved by the FCC as completely legal to use in the U.S.
The FCC even said such radios are and always have been illegal even
though the FCC type accepted it as legal and approved it as legal.
and that it's iullegal to use at all even in non-scramnled mode
without speech inversion enabled since it is an illegal radio.
So since  the radio is and always has been completely illegal to use
even in non-scrambled mode since it is capable of scrambling,
the radio is NOT fit for the purpose which it was sold for and sold as
.
But Radio Shack won't give me a refdund for the illegal radios they
sold.
I had no idea at the time I bought the radio that it was illegal since
it was FCC-type accepted as legal.
But all the lawyers and judges say "ignorance of the law is no
excuse".
How do I get my money back for Radio Shack illegally and fraudently
selling me illegal radios under the false, phony, and fraudelent
pretense that they were completely legal since they were fcc type
accepted and fcc-approved as legal?

[n7zzt]

Post by radioguy
I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.
I just found out that less than a year ago, in 2009, according to the
FCC, the motorola t6250 ( radio ( and other similar raduios ) is and
always has been an illegal radio completely illegal to use at all
because it can do speech inversion,(which is coded messages according
to the FCC), even though it has been type accepted by the FCC and
approved by the FCC as completely legal to use in the U.S.
The FCC even said such radios are and always have been illegal even
though the FCC type accepted it as legal and approved it as legal.
and that it's iullegal to use at all even in non-scramnled mode
without speech inversion enabled since it is an illegal radio.
So since  the radio is and always has been completely illegal to use
even in non-scrambled mode since it is capable of scrambling,
the radio is NOT fit for the purpose which it was sold for and sold as
.
But Radio Shack won't give me a refdund for the illegal radios they
sold.
I had no idea at the time I bought the radio that it was illegal since
it was FCC-type accepted as legal.
But all the lawyers and judges say "ignorance of the law is no
excuse".
How do I get my money back for Radio Shack illegally and fraudently
selling me illegal radios under the false, phony, and fraudelent
pretense that they were completely legal since they were fcc type
accepted and fcc-approved as legal?

my suggestions (FWIW): consult a lawyer. asking anyone in here for a
useful answer
is about as useful as pounding a hole in water (and as you ahve
already seen, some
of the responses or necessarily stupid).

[Brad]

Post by radioguy
I bought the radio from Radio Shack a few years ago.

It's too late. Use the radio properly, don't invert the speech, don't
tell or boast to anyone what model it is, and no-one at the other end
will be any the wiser.

[Scott in Baltimore]

Some stupid cross-posting troll needs to get outside and get some sunlight.

[You]

Post by Scott in Baltimore
Some stupid cross-posting troll needs to get outside and get some sunlight.

Yea, your only a MONTH late, and after the FACT.....

[Scott in Baltimore]

Post by You

Post by Scott in Baltimore
Some stupid cross-posting troll needs to get outside and get some sunlight.

Yea, your only a MONTH late, and after the FACT.....

There is life outside of one's computer. I don't check this gripe on a regular basis anymore.

[You]

Post by Scott in Baltimore

Post by You

Post by Scott in Baltimore
Some stupid cross-posting troll needs to get outside and get some sunlight.

Yea, your only a MONTH late, and after the FACT.....

There is life outside of one's computer. I don't check this gripe on a
regular basis anymore.

You also can't spell....

[Scott in Baltimore]

Post by You

Post by Scott in Baltimore

Post by You

Post by Scott in Baltimore
Some stupid cross-posting troll needs to get outside and get some sunlight.

Yea, your only a MONTH late, and after the FACT.....

There is life outside of one's computer. I don't check this gripe on a
regular basis anymore.

You also can't spell....

This is a group for gripers, so I typed "gripe" on purpose.
Although it seems like there are a lot of self-grippers on here!