These people didn't care hams help with emergency services

Post by radioguy
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:aCVpkB3Ki2oJ:www.antennazoning.com/docs/N1CIV-060105-Valley-News.pdf+%22ham+radio%22%2B%22interference%22%2B%22neighbors%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=50&gl=us

Don't know.. but in a couple months, their TVI gripe will hold no water at
all.

KC8QJP

2009-01-10 13:07:45 UTC

Don't know.. but in a couple months, their TVI gripe will hold no water at
all.

they may turn off my electricity sooner than that ;(

m***@yahoo.com

2009-01-21 15:28:54 UTC

Don't know.. but in a couple months, their TVI gripe will hold no water at
all.

they may turn off my electricity sooner than that ;(- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

A measure recently taken that will have repercussions that will
indicate exactly how severely your actions have impacted upon fellow
keyclowns.

This measure was taken in your honor. You'll be hearing about it, but
not from us.

RF BURNS

2009-01-21 18:35:45 UTC

Don't know.. but in a couple months, their TVI gripe will hold no water at
all.

they may turn off my electricity sooner than that ;(- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
A measure recently taken that will have repercussions that will
indicate exactly how severely your actions have impacted upon fellow
keyclowns.
This measure was taken in your honor. You'll be hearing about it, but
not from us.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=KC8QJP&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

UH OH KC8QJP IS IN EVEN MORE TROUBLE????
CRISCO KATHY BETTER WISE UP ALREADY!!!!

radioguy

2009-01-10 18:42:03 UTC

Don't know.. but in a couple months, their TVI gripe will hold no water at
all.

actually, in a cople of months, those type of people will complain
that the reason they are no longer getting any tv reception at all is
because
of all the ham radio operators.

radioguy

2009-01-15 07:19:04 UTC

Don't know.. but in a couple months, their TVI gripe will hold no water at

After thinking about it, I disagree that hams helping provide
emergencu is just an excuse.

It isn'tes

there have been many times in the past when everyone's electricity
goes out here.

And it's still very common here.

When the electric goes out, and stays out for any lengthy amount of
time,

1. you will not be ablr to use your satellite phone since there will
be no way for you to recharge it without using electricity.

2. FRS here only goes one mile at the most. I have several different
expensive brands of frs radios.

Somee only go half a mile here.

3. While CB is and can be usedul, good luck trying to get through the
local idiot here who likes to get on all the cb channels with high
power and
sat four letter words every other word in every sentence he says and
makes lewd x-rated comments and other just plain disgusting things,.
he especially enjoys getting on channel 19 and messing with all the
truckers by doing such..

Although I have heard him on other channels as well.

4. Cell phones. I heard they're usually the first to go dead during an
emergency.

5. regular telephones. While they can work without electricity to our
house out, they can also go dead if the emergency takes out the phone
system also.

Radio is the only for sure reliable way in an emergency.

That is, You never know when everything else might go out.

Radio is the only thing you can count on thatt won't go out in an
emergency.

radioguy

2009-01-15 07:25:34 UTC

Don't know.. but in a couple months, their TVI gripe will hold no water at
all.

oh, and those little emergency radio tv sets you all have. the tv
portion won't be any good for regular broadcasts after next month.
(there are not any lptv tstations or translators that can be picked up
from here and even if there were, they don't transmit very far even
with a good outdoor roof antenna for a reciever.)

And those will probably eventually switch to digital also.

And even the radio stations are already in the process of switching to
digital hd radio.

So all your crank-up emergency radios and portable battery operated tv
sets and radios will all eventually be useless for recieving regular
tv and radio broadcasts.

While ham radio and tv will and can remain for now.

Brenda Ann

2009-01-15 10:46:48 UTC

"radioguy" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6f16947b-2885-4787-b4bf-***@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

oh, and those little emergency radio tv sets you all have. the tv
portion won't be any good for regular broadcasts after next month.
(there are not any lptv tstations or translators that can be picked up
from here and even if there were, they don't transmit very far even
with a good outdoor roof antenna for a reciever.)

And those will probably eventually switch to digital also.

And even the radio stations are already in the process of switching to
digital hd radio.

So all your crank-up emergency radios and portable battery operated tv
sets and radios will all eventually be useless for recieving regular
tv and radio broadcasts.

They'll still receive radio for quite some time.

Our government is already giving voice to delaying the analog TV shutoff
date, because they've run out of money for the converter coupon plan, and
there are still millions that won't have any television at all when the
analog is shut down. They're trying to figure out what to do about all
that..

Dave

2009-01-15 13:15:16 UTC

Post by Brenda Ann
Our government is already giving voice to delaying the analog TV shutoff
date, because they've run out of money for the converter coupon plan, and
there are still millions that won't have any television at all when the
analog is shut down. They're trying to figure out what to do about all
that..

What a bunch of pussies! We've known it's going to hurt when it
happens. Just do it!

Joe

2009-01-10 14:07:29 UTC

Lets be honest here and not confuse the desire to erect and use large
antenna structures to facilitate DX'ing and other radio pursuits with
the proposition of providing 'emergency communications'. I would
guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide
the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer in support
of the erection of large towers and antenna arrays in deference to
zoning restrictions. Even while a vast majority continually chase the
holy grail of possessing a 'Big Gun' signal on the air. The argument
sounds great till you actually tune around the bands during normal,
every day activity and maybe once in a while during a real emergency.
What you hear is the daily 'playing' of big gun radio operation.
Excessive power, excessive bandwidth used and nothing short of
electronic bullying/boasting of my signal is bigger than your signal.
When an emergency does occur a relatively small number of big gun
stations (usually located away from the big cities on large tracts of
expensive, desirable out of the way land where restrictions and
covenants do not even come into play) handling the brunt of the
communications. And a few passersbyes who may just listen or possibly
check in to alternate 'controll the onlookers' nets, so they can tell
their buddys and the uninitiated that they were helping out with one
disaster or another before they get bored with the whole thing and
move on to the latest must have dx or contest contact.
Lets be real. Nothing wrong with Dx'ing and Contesting or any other
facet of the hobby. But know that these are the real reason behind
many off the cuff fan the flame posts in support of knocking down
zoning rules and not a 'real' desire to provide an at the ready
emergency communications setup.
Been around long enough to know that truth!

Dave

2009-01-10 15:03:16 UTC

Post by radioguy
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on

I would
guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide
the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer...

So?

The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out
-of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good
if an emergency breaks out.

radioguy

2009-01-17 14:27:13 UTC

Post by radioguy
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on

I would
guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide
the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer...

So?
The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out
-of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good
if an emergency breaks out.

Correct. Unlike the poster who said all that is neede isone or a few
hams in a very rural area. I did plan on moving to a rural area,
then I found out
that hams don't like hams operating from rural areas because whenever
they use any one of the nearest repeaters to them, they always
simultaneously open up all the nearest repeaters to them that have the
same CTCSS code on the same frequency they're operating on.

A rural ham who intenionally opens up the nearest repeater, a hundred
miles north of him with a ctcss code of 100.0 also unintentiomnally
opens up
the repeater 100 miles south of him that also uses a ctcss of 100.0,
the repeater 100 miles west of him also using 100.0,the repeater 100
miles east
of him using 100.0, the repeater 100 miles northeast of him using
100.0,the repeater 100miles northwest of him,the repeater 100 miles
southeast of him,
and a repeater 100 miles southwest ofhim.

radioguy

2009-01-17 14:43:33 UTC

Post by radioguy

Post by radioguy
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on

I would
guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide
the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer...

So?
The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out
-of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good
if an emergency breaks out.

Correct. Unlike the poster who said all that is neede isone or a few
hams in a very rural area. I did plan on moving to a rural area,
then I found out
that hams don't like hams operating from rural areas because whenever
they use any one of the nearest repeaters to them, they always
simultaneously open up all the nearest repeaters to them that have the
same CTCSS code on the same frequency they're operating on.
A rural ham who intenionally opens up the nearest repeater, a hundred
miles north of him on with a ctcss code of 100.0 also unintentiomnally
opens up
the repeater 100 miles south of him othat also uses a ctcss of 100.0on the same frequency,
the repeater 100 miles west of him on the same frequncy also using 100.0,the repeater 100
miles east
of him on the same frequency using 100.0, the repeater 100 miles northeast of him using
100.0,the repeater 100miles northwest of him,the repeater 100 miles
southeast of him,
and a repeater 100 miles southwest ofhim.- Hide quoted text -

I don't know why there's all this dsiscrimination everywhere of
people livingin rural areas.

And it's not just with ham radio either.

Post by radioguy
- Show quoted text -

James

2009-01-17 15:35:54 UTC

jabber,
jabber,
jabber,
jabber,
jabber,
jabber,
jabber,
jabber,

--------------------------
a hundred
miles north of him with a ctcss code of 100.0 also unintentiomnally
opens up
the repeater 100 miles south of him that also uses a ctcss of 100.0,
the repeater 100 miles west of him also using 100.0,the repeater 100
miles east
of him using 100.0, the repeater 100 miles northeast of him using
100.0,the repeater 100miles northwest of him,the repeater 100 miles
southeast of him,
and a repeater 100 miles southwest ofhim.

Jim Hampton

2009-01-18 17:48:54 UTC

Hello gang,

That would only happen if the other repeaters were also on the same
frequency. Not going to happen unless you are flying a private aircraft
several thousand feet up. Then folks will get unhappy.

This is why repeaters are supposed to be coordinated.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim

Post by radioguy
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on

I would
guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide
the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer...

So?
The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out
-of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good
if an emergency breaks out.

RHF

2009-01-18 18:45:52 UTC

Post by Jim Hampton
Hello gang,
That would only happen if the other repeaters were also on the same
frequency. Not going to happen unless you are flying a private aircraft
several thousand feet up. Then folks will get unhappy.
This is why repeaters are supposed to be coordinated.
73 from Rochester, NY

Post by radioguy
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on

I would
guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide
the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer...

So?
The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out
-of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good
if an emergency breaks out.

Correct. Unlike the poster who said all that is neede isone or a few
hams in a very rural area. I did plan on moving to a rural area,
then I found out
that hams don't like hams operating from rural areas because whenever
they use any one of the nearest repeaters to them, they always
simultaneously open up all the nearest repeaters to them that have the
same CTCSS code on the same frequency they're operating on.
A rural ham who intenionally opens up the nearest repeater, a hundred
miles north of him with a ctcss code of 100.0 also unintentiomnally
opens up
the repeater 100 miles south of him that also uses a ctcss of 100.0,
the repeater 100 miles west of him also using 100.0,the repeater 100
miles east
of him using 100.0, the repeater 100 miles northeast of him using
100.0,the repeater 100miles northwest of him,the repeater 100 miles
southeast of him,
and a repeater 100 miles southwest ofhim.

Yeah - It's just another RadioGuy "Troll Story"

How many 'made-up' Amateur Radio Operator
problems can you fit on the head of a pin ? ? ?

just ask RadioGuy ;;-{ ~ RHF
.

d***@gmail.com

2009-01-27 21:54:40 UTC

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:45:52 -0800 (PST), RHF

Post by RHF

Post by radioguy
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on

I would
guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide
the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer...

So?
The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out
-of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good
if an emergency breaks out.

Correct. Unlike the poster who said all that is neede isone or a few
hams in a very rural area. I did plan on moving to a rural area,
then I found out
that hams don't like hams operating from rural areas because whenever
they use any one of the nearest repeaters to them, they always
simultaneously open up all the nearest repeaters to them that have the
same CTCSS code on the same frequency they're operating on.
A rural ham who intenionally opens up the nearest repeater, a hundred
miles north of him with a ctcss code of 100.0 also unintentiomnally
opens up
the repeater 100 miles south of him that also uses a ctcss of 100.0,
the repeater 100 miles west of him also using 100.0,the repeater 100
miles east
of him using 100.0, the repeater 100 miles northeast of him using
100.0,the repeater 100miles northwest of him,the repeater 100 miles
southeast of him,
and a repeater 100 miles southwest ofhim.

Yeah - It's just another RadioGuy "Troll Story"
How many 'made-up' Amateur Radio Operator
problems can you fit on the head of a pin ? ? ?
just ask RadioGuy ;;-{ ~ RHF
.

radioguy

2009-01-10 18:48:23 UTC

Post by radioguy
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:aCVpkB3Ki2oJ:www.antennazoning.co...

While you're correct, that was the excuse the ham in the article used.
At least according to the article.

I never noticed any excessive bandwidth hogging on ham radio. Unless
it's either the hi-fi ssb I heard about which the FCC was illegal
aince it was hogging the bandwidth. However, if that's so, then that
also makes using AM on ham radio illegal.

And several people still use AM mode on ham radio.

Or unless it's using FM on 2 meters and 70 centimeters where an AM
signal would take up much less space.

Telamon

2009-01-10 23:34:32 UTC

In article

Post by radioguy

Post by radioguy
didn't care that hams help provide emergency services.

Post by radioguy
They still wanted the ham tower completely gone.
I wonder who won. Click on
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:aCVpkB3Ki2oJ:www.antennazoning.co...

Lets be honest here and not confuse the desire to erect and use
large antenna structures to facilitate DX'ing and other radio
pursuits with the proposition of providing 'emergency
communications'. I would guess that 99.9% of the ham population
never has or ever will provide the types of 'emergency
communications' to which you refer in support of the erection of
large towers and antenna arrays in deference to zoning
restrictions. Even while a vast majority continually chase the holy
grail of possessing a 'Big Gun' signal on the air. The argument
sounds great till you actually tune around the bands during normal,
every day activity and maybe once in a while during a real
emergency. What you hear is the daily 'playing' of big gun radio
operation. Excessive power, excessive bandwidth used and nothing
short of electronic bullying/boasting of my signal is bigger than
your signal. When an emergency does occur a relatively small number
of big gun stations (usually located away from the big cities on
large tracts of expensive, desirable out of the way land where
restrictions and covenants do not even come into play) handling the
brunt of the communications. And a few passersbyes who may just
listen or possibly check in to alternate 'controll the onlookers'
nets, so they can tell their buddys and the uninitiated that they
were helping out with one disaster or another before they get bored
with the whole thing and move on to the latest must have dx or
contest contact. Lets be real. Nothing wrong with Dx'ing and
Contesting or any other facet of the hobby. But know that these
are the real reason behind many off the cuff fan the flame posts in
support of knocking down zoning rules and not a 'real' desire to
provide an at the ready emergency communications setup. Been around
long enough to know that truth!

While you're correct, that was the excuse the ham in the article
used. At least according to the article.
I never noticed any excessive bandwidth hogging on ham radio. Unless
it's either the hi-fi ssb I heard about which the FCC was illegal
aince it was hogging the bandwidth. However, if that's so, then that
also makes using AM on ham radio illegal.
And several people still use AM mode on ham radio.
Or unless it's using FM on 2 meters and 70 centimeters where an AM
signal would take up much less space.

Why don't you guys ever bring up the technology? The original reason
the government wanted to license the public to use the spectrum was for
the general public to be able to use the communications technology that
drives the economy and provides people with useful skills for the armed
services. The government has always recognized this as a way to
encourage citizens to become familure with electronics and
communications technologies.

The complete ass-backward thinking in this country started with denying
citizens utilization of natural resources over the last couple of
decades and now is extended to the use of technology. Now we are just
supposed to be users of technology that we have to buy from other third
world countries.

This retarded natural resource thinking has now cumulated into "global
warming" BS spewed by the resource hog AL Utterly Boring Gore and Ham
operators are just good consumers these days.

We are just setting ourselves up for a fall.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Steve Stone

2009-01-11 19:35:31 UTC

Post by Telamon
The complete ass-backward thinking in this country started with denying
citizens utilization of natural resources over the last couple of
decades and now is extended to the use of technology. Now we are just
supposed to be users of technology that we have to buy from other third
world countries.

I saw it start in the early 1970's.
Many people who liked to weekend tinker with electronics on their bench,
build kits, etc., were turned off by the complexity
of IC's and the density of parts stuffed on a single board, combined
with cheap stuff from overseas.
The hobby magazines of the times got hooked on early build it yourself
computer projects. It was over the heads of many who liked to play.

SC Dxing

2009-01-11 01:11:57 UTC

Post by Joe
Lets be real. Nothing wrong with Dx'ing and Contesting or any other
facet of the hobby. But know that these are the real reason behind
many off the cuff fan the flame posts in support of knocking down
zoning rules

Agree with Joe. The emergency communication thing is just and excuse.
If they really want something that can help during an emergency, they
should buy a satellite phone. Would also be a lot of cheaper. They've
already got a 40 foot high antenna which is more than adequate for
emergency communications in the Hartford area.

RHF

2009-01-11 20:23:33 UTC

Post by SC Dxing

Extend the existing 40-Foot Radio Tower up to a
93-Foot Tower [Structure] topped off with a 10-Foot
Antenna for a total of 103-Foot high on top of a hill.

sounds more like a towering monument to
someone's personal status and ego ~ RHF
.

SC Dxing

2009-01-11 21:41:27 UTC

Post by RHF
sounds more like a towering monument to
someone's personal status and ego ~ RHF
.

Agreed. There was a time when a HAM radio operator was a real asset in
a disaster. But with the advances in technology, especially portable
communications, those days have passed.

d***@hotmail.com

2009-01-12 00:00:24 UTC

Post by SC Dxing
A hurricane/snow storm can easily take out any antenna tower.

So me evidence to back up your claims. I've had multiple towers in
many locations and I've never lost one to a snow storm, ice storm,
hurricane, or tornado. Usually, the tower is the one thing that
survives.

Post by SC Dxing
Then you need electricity

Generators are fairly plentiful and run for days on 200 gallons of
propane.

Post by SC Dxing
Then you need someone who is going to listen on the
other side.

And hams do listen 24/7, somewhere in the world someone is always
listening. During Katrina, thounsands of traffic messages were passed,
as has many messages been handled during a lot of the ice storms this
season up North.

Post by SC Dxing
My wife works for emergency services and not a single
emergency scenario involves using ham radio operators.

Then they are not utilizing all the resources available to them.
Thankfully, my community involves all legitimate parties during every
emergency exercise, including ham radio ops, but CB radio and FRS are
never included because the folks who own FRS want to have a family CB
service, and CB radio ops are too busy trying to play who has the
biggest illegal amplfier. The users of CB and FRS do not have an
interest in emergency coms until something happens, then they show up
untrained, uncoordinated, and become an hinderance to any on going
operations.

Post by SC Dxing
If anything, CB radio or mobile UHF/VHF device would be more reliable.

Hams use UHF and VHF, so your point is??? And mobile CB is useless
more than 5-10 miles away unless you are running illegal power.

Post by SC Dxing
And a stationary HAM radio can only be used in one location.

And can relay messages locally from roving ops checking on health and
welfare, as well Statewide, Country wide, and World wide. Don't
forget that hams work in coordination with each other, some mobile,
and someone at the base with a tower relaying the information locally
or statewide as necessary.

Post by SC Dxing
Not very good, if you are going around house to house checking on people in an
emergency.

But ham radio can be used both portable and base, a repeater statioin
also comes to mind as a coordinated effort that has proven itself time
and time again.

Post by SC Dxing
A stationary tower is probably the worst choice for
emergency communications.

Why. Every emergeny service in the US uses stationary stations with
towers as the hub to their operations.

Post by SC Dxing
Satellite phone. Never ever goes out as long as you got it charged.
Never.

Most folks are not going to pay the outlandish monthly fees for a
satellite phone + air time. The only reason your sat phone works is
because not many folks have them. Just imagine if everyone had a sat
phone instead of a cell phone. I can tell you from experience that on
September 11, the whole cell phone infrastructure crashed and was not
operable.

If everyone had sat phones, it would overload the capablility of the
sat, and your phone would be worthless.

Post by SC Dxing

Post by RHF
sounds more like a towering monument to
someone's personal status and ego ~ RHF
�.

Agreed. There was a time when a HAM radio operator was a real asset in
a disaster. But with the advances in technology, especially portable
communications, those days have passed.

So where were all of the so called advances when Katrina took out the
Gulf Coast? Or during the recent ice storms up North. Hams have
activiely assisted on both events and every major emergency in
between.

BTW, Which emergency organization does your wife work for, I would
like to find out why they are not adhering to the policies set forth
in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) 2007 Appropriations Act
(HR 5441). Which indicates that Amateur Radio should be incorperated
into the contingent plans by all communities for emergency and
disaster prepardness.

DL

an_old_friend

2009-01-12 00:43:16 UTC

Post by d***@hotmail.com

Post by SC Dxing
A hurricane/snow storm can easily take out any antenna tower.

Post by SC Dxing
Then you need electricity

Generators are fairly plentiful and run for days on 200 gallons of
propane.

when you p[laning on geting a ham licernse DL?

d***@hotmail.com

2009-01-12 01:27:56 UTC

Post by an_old_friend
when you p[laning on geting a ham licernse DL?

I've had one for years. Extra class since 1997.

no evidence you have even a tech dl stop the lies in the new years oh
unlienced fraud

Plenty of evidence Mark, just go look on QRZ, buckmaster, or one of
the other sites. I'm on there.

d***@hotmail.com

2009-01-12 01:02:50 UTC

Post by an_old_friend

Post by d***@hotmail.com

Post by SC Dxing
A hurricane/snow storm can easily take out any antenna tower.

Post by SC Dxing
Then you need electricity

Generators are fairly plentiful and run for days on 200 gallons of
propane.

when you p[laning on geting a ham licernse DL?

I've had one for years. Extra class since 1997. Why do you ask, Mark?

an_old_friend

2009-01-12 01:08:21 UTC