tv antennas otard and hoas

[radioguy]

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They also specifically exclude antennas to receive "non-local" / "distant" TV stations (I wonder what "local" >vs "not local" really is?)

That is a good question. When the tv stations were analog we got
excellent grade b coverage since we live in the grade b signal
coverage area of out local tv stations.

Since they switched to digital, even though the tv stations' antennas
are bascally in the same spot they always were, we can't get any of
them any more and neither can any of our neighbors even with an
outdoor rooftop antenna. eben with a digital atsc tuner.

Since no one around here could get the local tv stations aany more
even with a digital atsc converter box or a
built-in digital atsc tuner on their tv sets, some of our neighbors
have completely gotten rid of their tv sets.

satellite doesn't work around here and the cable company isn't able to
recieve the local stations with any quality either. It constantly
freezes up into little blocks without any sound.

The thing is residents in the know who live in the hoas say since they
can no longer recieve the local tv stations with the antennas they
have the right to put up a dx antenna so they can recieve our local tv
stations.

the hoas say they don't have the right to because since what was the
local tv stations no longer come in with a regular antenna they are
not local tv stations anymore, they are now long distance stations and
the federal fcc rules say hoas can prohibit residents from recieving
long distance tv stations that are not their local tv stations.

The hoa position is there are no more local tv stations here since the
switchover to digital.

the hoa residents position is they are our local tv stations since
they always have been and are the closest tv stations to this area,
about twenty miles away.

Who is legally right? The residents or the hoas?

I know for a fact they don't even come in even with an outdoor rooftop
dx antenna anymore since all my tv sets have built-in digital atsc
tuners.

So the residents need an antenna even stronger than the strongest
current dx antenna to pull in the new digital tv stations.

Probably one of the reasons I have been hearing a little bit of an
increase in ham activity around here.

The stores around here have even been cutting thher hours since no one
sees their advertising on tv anymore (even though I heard the chains
they are part of are still advertising on tv their stores are all open
24 hours).

And some are closing down because of it.

And the person who said no one wil die becaue of not being able to
recieve the digital tv stations since we can all just do the same
thing our forefathers and ancestors did,

you are very very very wrong. Our forefathers and ancestors did not
having zoning laws prohibiting hunting or hoa rules prohibiting
growing your own food.

They're even trying to force us to put CC&Rs which run with teh land
forever requiring hoas onto our non-hoa non-CC&R land which when we
moved in we were told we could alwas do anything we wanted to onthe
land withing the zoning rules.

Unlike today, they were allowed to hunt and grow their own food or
keep their own farm animals.

Today with all the groceries sstores closing and it being against the
law to hunt and grow your own food, how are people supposed to
survive???????

You should hear our neighbors complaining about it.

I haven't complained about anything even a tenth of what they have.

If they posted here, then you would know what complaining really is.

[TJ]

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They also specifically exclude antennas to receive "non-local" / "distant" TV stations (I wonder what "local">vs "not local" really is?)

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Post by radioguy
You should hear our neighbors complaining about it.
I haven't complained about anything even a tenth of what they have.
If they posted here, then you would know what complaining really is.

It sounds to me like you live in a gated community - like a prison. When
does your sentence end, anyway?

If you're not in prison, you might as well be.

I'm the third generation of my family to own this house, and I love it.
I grew up here, and I have a lifetime of fond memories. It is
mortgage-free. But if I lived in the type of area you describe I'd move
in a heartbeat, even if I had to leave everything but the clothes on my
back behind. I might even do it if I had to go naked.

This isn't about OTA TV reception. In the overall scheme of things,
that's unimportant. It's about all that other crap.

Get out as soon as the warden lets you go.

TJ

[radioguy]

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Post by radioguy

They also specifically exclude antennas to receive "non-local" / "distant" TV stations (I wonder what "local">vs "not local" really is?)

<snip useless rant)

Post by radioguy
You should hear our neighbors complaining about it.
I haven't complained about anything even a tenth of what they have.
If they posted here, then you would know what complaining really is.

It sounds to me like you live in a gated community - like a prison. When
does your sentence end, anyway?
If you're not in prison, you might as well be.
I'm the third generation of my family to own this house, and I love it.
I grew up here, and I have a lifetime of fond memories. It is
mortgage-free. But if I lived in the type of area you describe I'd move
in a heartbeat, even if I had to leave everything but the clothes on my
back behind. I might even do it if I had to go naked.
This isn't about OTA TV reception. In the overall scheme of things,
that's unimportant. It's about all that other crap.
Get out as soon as the warden lets you go.
TJ
--
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

no, I do not live in a gated community. I don't even live in a hoa
although there are a couple around here and we do have a nosy nimby
neighbor who also dows not live in a hoa, but now the municipality is
trying to get us to put CC&Rs which run with the land forever onto our
non-hoa non-CC&r property whicv we moved into decades before any hoas
complexes were built around here.

and decades beefore any places having CC&rs were built around here.

[Lopez Gomez]

Post by radioguy
no, I do not live in a gated community. I don't even live in a hoa
although there are a couple around here and we do have a nosy nimby
neighbor who also dows not live in a hoa, but now the municipality is
trying to get us to put CC&Rs which run with the land forever onto our
non-hoa non-CC&r property whicv we moved into decades before any hoas
complexes were built around here.
and decades beefore any places having CC&rs were built around here.

You don't have a clue - not one, single clue. NO municipality anywhere can
"force" a covenant onto a property that does not already have one.

A restrictive covenant is an addendum TO A DEED, and a deed can ONLY be
changed if, and when, a property is sold or transferred to a new owner.

Barring a sale or transfer, no change or addition to an existing deed can
be imposed by any municipality or court, period.

The only thing a court MIGHT do, is to rule that an existing covenant is
invalid or unenforceable, which is the case regarding deed covenants which
were once very common 50+ years ago - covenants which prohibited a property
owner from selling their home to anyone not of the caucasian race. Though
such racially-based restrictive covenants may still exist in the deeds of
very old homes, they are null and void under current law.

[George Kerby]

On 4/30/10 6:05 PM, in article

Post by radioguy

On 04/22/2010 08:18 PM, radioguy wrote:> X-No-Archive: Yes

Post by radioguy

They also specifically exclude antennas to receive "non-local" / "distant"
TV stations (I wonder what "local">vs "not local" really is?)

<snip useless rant)

Post by radioguy
You should hear our neighbors complaining about it.
I haven't complained about anything even a tenth of what they have.
If they posted here, then you would know what complaining really is.

It sounds to me like you live in a gated community - like a prison. When
does your sentence end, anyway?
If you're not in prison, you might as well be.
I'm the third generation of my family to own this house, and I love it.
I grew up here, and I have a lifetime of fond memories. It is
mortgage-free. But if I lived in the type of area you describe I'd move
in a heartbeat, even if I had to leave everything but the clothes on my
back behind. I might even do it if I had to go naked.
This isn't about OTA TV reception. In the overall scheme of things,
that's unimportant. It's about all that other crap.
Get out as soon as the warden lets you go.
TJ
--
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

no, I do not live in a gated community. I don't even live in a hoa
although there are a couple around here and we do have a nosy nimby
neighbor who also dows not live in a hoa, but now the municipality is
trying to get us to put CC&Rs which run with the land forever onto our
non-hoa non-CC&r property whicv we moved into decades before any hoas
complexes were built around here.
and decades beefore any places having CC&rs were built around here.

What's all this talk about 'hoa'? Are you a pimp?

[TJ]

Post by George Kerby
What's all this talk about 'hoa'? Are you a pimp?

"HOA" = "HomeOwner's Association." They would be the ones that don't
allow you to have dandelions in your lawn, dictate how often you mow it,
restrict vegetable gardening, restrict the color you can paint your
house, what kind of antenna you may have etc., etc., etc. All in the
name of "preserving property values." Pathetic.

TJ

[George Kerby]

Post by TJ

Post by George Kerby
What's all this talk about 'hoa'? Are you a pimp?

"HOA" = "HomeOwner's Association." They would be the ones that don't
allow you to have dandelions in your lawn, dictate how often you mow it,
restrict vegetable gardening, restrict the color you can paint your
house, what kind of antenna you may have etc., etc., etc. All in the
name of "preserving property values." Pathetic.
TJ

Like I said, "whore"...



;-)

[Techcom]

They call her a "hoe".

Post by George Kerby
On 4/30/10 6:05 PM, in article

Post by radioguy

On 04/22/2010 08:18 PM, radioguy wrote:> X-No-Archive: Yes

Post by radioguy

They also specifically exclude antennas to receive "non-local" / "distant"
TV stations (I wonder what "local">vs "not local" really is?)

<snip useless rant)

Post by radioguy
You should hear our neighbors complaining about it.
I haven't complained about anything even a tenth of what they have.
If they posted here, then you would know what complaining really is.

It sounds to me like you live in a gated community - like a prison. When
does your sentence end, anyway?
If you're not in prison, you might as well be.
I'm the third generation of my family to own this house, and I love it.
I grew up here, and I have a lifetime of fond memories. It is
mortgage-free. But if I lived in the type of area you describe I'd move
in a heartbeat, even if I had to leave everything but the clothes on my
back behind. I might even do it if I had to go naked.
This isn't about OTA TV reception. In the overall scheme of things,
that's unimportant. It's about all that other crap.
Get out as soon as the warden lets you go.
TJ
--
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

no, I do not live in a gated community. I don't even live in a hoa
although there are a couple around here and we do have a nosy nimby
neighbor who also dows not live in a hoa, but now the municipality is
trying to get us to put CC&Rs which run with the land forever onto our
non-hoa non-CC&r property whicv we moved into decades before any hoas
complexes were built around here.
and decades beefore any places having CC&rs were built around here.

What's all this talk about 'hoa'? Are you a pimp?

[whosbest54]

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Post by radioguy
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They also specifically exclude antennas to receive "non-local" / "distant"

TV stations (I wonder what "local" >vs "not local" really is?)
Yes, the FCC fact sheet for the OTARD rule states that "The rule does not
apply to television antennas used to receive a distant signal."

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Post by radioguy
That is a good question. When the tv stations were analog we got
excellent grade b coverage since we live in the grade b signal
coverage area of out local tv stations.
Since they switched to digital, even though the tv stations' antennas
are bascally in the same spot they always were, we can't get any of
them any more and neither can any of our neighbors even with an
outdoor rooftop antenna. eben with a digital atsc tuner.
Since no one around here could get the local tv stations aany more
even with a digital atsc converter box or a
built-in digital atsc tuner on their tv sets, some of our neighbors
have completely gotten rid of their tv sets.
satellite doesn't work around here and the cable company isn't able to
recieve the local stations with any quality either. It constantly
freezes up into little blocks without any sound.

Then cable subscribers are paying for a service that isn't being delivered.
They should complain to the local franching and consumer agencies as well as
the FCC, unless the issue is with local wiring in the home/residence.

Post by radioguy
The thing is residents in the know who live in the hoas say since they
can no longer recieve the local tv stations with the antennas they
have the right to put up a dx antenna so they can recieve our local tv
stations.
the hoas say they don't have the right to because since what was the
local tv stations no longer come in with a regular antenna they are
not local tv stations anymore, they are now long distance stations and
the federal fcc rules say hoas can prohibit residents from recieving
long distance tv stations that are not their local tv stations.
The hoa position is there are no more local tv stations here since the
switchover to digital.
the hoa residents position is they are our local tv stations since
they always have been and are the closest tv stations to this area,
about twenty miles away.
Who is legally right? The residents or the hoas?

The stations presumably weren't distant when they were analog The rules
exclude larger antennas for receiving distant signals, That term, distant
signal, is apparently the FCC regulatory term of art here and was developed to
describe a signal normally imported by cable systems via means other than over
the air reception.

http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=distantsigna

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/glossary/terms/D/index.htm

It seems to me if the local cable system can get the signal with a standard
over the air antenna mounted on a high enough mast, that would not be a
distant signal.

If your homeowner's association won't budge, then it may be necessary to
petition the FCC to make a determination and enforce their rules if they
determine those stations are not distant signals. But that won't help you
with the next question about a shared community antenna, only with an
individual antenna on a mast located in an area you control.

Post by radioguy
I know for a fact they don't even come in even with an outdoor rooftop
dx antenna anymore since all my tv sets have built-in digital atsc
tuners.
So the residents need an antenna even stronger than the strongest
current dx antenna to pull in the new digital tv stations.

A shared community antenna is likely out of the question unless the
homeowner's association agrees because the wiring and other parts of it would
likley be installed in areas they control and individual residents don't.

whosbest54